Vintage Carnation Base

This formula can be used as a replacer for dianthine base in any vintage formula or as a base for your own work. It is potentially IFRA compliant depending on how much you use as it has no banned ingredients in it (only restricted in quantity). I only use the highest quality naturals from suppliers like John Steele, Robertet, etc. and wherever possible I use naturally extracted versions of perfumery chemicals. You could make a much cheaper version of this...
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I.D.Adam
I.D.Adam
6 years ago

Most impressive work sir. As always, your sharing the formula is generous and appreciated.

jon
jon
6 years ago

Naturally extracted Heliotropin, really?
and exactly how is that possible, from what is it extracted from?

Yankiel
Yankiel
6 years ago

I thank you eternally, for sharing your recreation of this lost gem.
Such a noble and rare gesture!

Eliam Puente
Eliam Puente
5 years ago

I found your site today and the info you provide is great! I’ve been studying perfumery for a few years now but the more I study it the more I realize how complex it can be. It now makes perfect sense that in the past you had to work under a master perfumer for 10 year before you could consider yourself a master perfumer. I appreciate your knowledge and formulas and I hope this is something you will continue sharing. Thanks! PS: I’ve been playing around with an oriental formula with lots of benzyl salicylate, ylang, and eugenol so this… Read more »

David J Goodwin
David J Goodwin
5 years ago

This is certainly a beginners question, but what do your numerical measures represent? Grams? Ppm? Do you dilute all your materials to a standard concentration like 10%? I’m thinking I should have started doing this ages ago…

Guido
Guido
1 year ago

Para-Cresyl Caprylate, that’s the only ingrediĂ«nt I couldn’t find unfortunately.
Is there anything similar? Or should I add something to methyl Diantilis that I have?
Thank you very much for sharing this formula.

Last edited 1 year ago by Guido
Florian
Florian
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie

I used para cresyl acetate instead of the caprylate (half the amount) and it worked out really good in my opinion

Guido
Guido
1 year ago
Reply to  Florian

I have ordered para cresyl phenyl acetate, also wanted para cresyl acetate but I forgot to add it so that really sucks, I tried Pellwall but unfortunately they haven’t got it, maybe Liaison Carbon.

Florian
Florian
1 year ago
Reply to  Guido
Guido
Guido
1 year ago
Reply to  Florian

That’s great thank you very much Florian, how silly of my not to check Hexapus in the first place…!

Guido
Guido
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie

That is some good advice, thank you! Now that I know to order the para cresyl acetate at Hexapus, it could be interesting for other things I am still looking for.

Guido
Guido
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie

Thank you very much for your help, I’ve ordered a lot of chemicals yesterday but forgot to add the para cresyl acetate, but I have ordered para cresyl Phenyl acetate…could I use that? If I knew about cyclopidene I certainly would have added that to my shopping card at Perfumer apprentice. Next time I’ll order cyclopidene for sure..

Guido
Guido
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie

I’ve received an email from Rebekka of Liaison Carbon, and she’s putting in a bottle of cyclopidene 1% with my order for me isn’t that great news!!!

Jamie: how much of the 1 % concentration of cyclopidene is should use?

Guido
Guido
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie

Thank you, so you mean I should start of with the 1% concentration at 10?

Guido
Guido
1 year ago

Today I got a reply from Sigma/Merck about my order of Piperonal… I am not allowed to buy this without a license… I should have know better that this is a illegal chemical… that really is a bummer.
Jamie is there any substitute for Heliotropine ? Maybe Heliotropex? Thanks in advance.

Last edited 1 year ago by Guido
Guido
Guido
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie

Thank you for your reply, I think I will experiment with Heliotropex N and Veratraldehyde to see what effect they have, preparing two small batches.

Florian
Florian
1 year ago
Reply to  Guido

Im using Heliotropex N by IFF, havnt got real Heliotropin so i cant compare it.
The only thing i dont really know is how to use it as a replacer.
Perfumers Apprentice says you use it at 15% as a replacer and Hexapus says u can use it undiluted as a replacer

Florian
Florian
1 year ago
Reply to  Jamie

Okay i will try my best to figure it Out because getting piperonal is allmost Impossible to get in Germany.
Or as Chris Bartlett from PellWall Said, He uses veratraldehyde as a Direct replacer for heliotropin

Alexey
Alexey
1 year ago

Jamie, I would like to hear your opinion, which is important to me. Is it possible to replace rose essential oil with rose absolute in this base?

Svetlana
Svetlana
7 months ago

Dear Jamie, thank you very much ! one question – what is dilution for Orris Resinoid? and better alc or ?

Brett Bayless
Brett Bayless
5 months ago

Jamie, I have Orris Butter tincture @ 20%, could I use that but bump it up 5 times to equal the amount of the Orris resin?

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